# \[Article\] Fourteen for, Fourteen against, why I love, hate and connect with Node-RED
**URL:** https://discourse.nodered.org/t/article-fourteen-for-fourteen-against-why-i-love-hate-and-connect-with-node-red/78738
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**Created:** [27 May 2023 13:45 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/article-fourteen-for-fourteen-against-why-i-love-hate-and-connect-with-node-red/78738 "2023-05-27T13:45:32Z")
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### Author:  [@mudwalker](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/mudwalker)
#### Post date: [2 June 2023 08:52 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/article-fourteen-for-fourteen-against-why-i-love-hate-and-connect-with-node-red/78738/41 "2023-06-02T08:52:02Z")
Just read this article in The Register and immediately thought of this thread. It is an interesting story on AI...
> **[Air Force AI drone 'killed operator' in 'simulation'](https://www.theregister.com/2023/06/02/ai_drone_simulation/?td=readmore)**
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> ML-powered fighter went HAL 9000 to rack up points, colonel apparently said
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### Author:  [@TotallyInformation](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/TotallyInformation)
#### Post date: [2 June 2023 16:47 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/article-fourteen-for-fourteen-against-why-i-love-hate-and-connect-with-node-red/78738/42 "2023-06-02T16:47:39Z")
🤣
> if you set simple objectives to a neural network, you'll get a simplistic response
No s\*\*\* Sherlock!
If this actually happened (there is some doubt it seems), it would be a good lesson in not using simplistic gamification to let loose the dogs of war (let alone a future armed AI).
As I mentioned to someone at work, this is Sci-Fi rule 101 for dealing with AI's!
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### Author:  [@mudwalker](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/mudwalker)
#### Post date: [2 June 2023 16:51 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/article-fourteen-for-fourteen-against-why-i-love-hate-and-connect-with-node-red/78738/43 "2023-06-02T16:51:51Z")
The doubt has been added since I first read the report!! 🤣
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### Author:  [@TotallyInformation](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/TotallyInformation)
#### Post date: [2 June 2023 16:55 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/article-fourteen-for-fourteen-against-why-i-love-hate-and-connect-with-node-red/78738/44 "2023-06-02T16:55:32Z")
Still a good lesson though, even if it is a made up story. Just the kind of thing we can imagine the military doing! (and apologies to anyone in or formally in the military for painting everyone with the same brush!).
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### Author:  [@dceejay](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/dceejay)
#### Post date: [2 June 2023 21:38 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/article-fourteen-for-fourteen-against-why-i-love-hate-and-connect-with-node-red/78738/45 "2023-06-02T21:38:41Z")
Ah the ol Kobayashi Maru .. Captain Kirk would be proud
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### Author:  [@Steve-Mcl](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Steve-Mcl)
#### Post date: [2 June 2023 21:41 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/article-fourteen-for-fourteen-against-why-i-love-hate-and-connect-with-node-red/78738/46 "2023-06-02T21:41:25Z")
> [@dceejay](#):
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> Kobayashi Maru
It's impossible Dave. Unless you cheat 😉
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### Author:  [@drmibell](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/drmibell)
#### Post date: [2 June 2023 23:50 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/article-fourteen-for-fourteen-against-why-i-love-hate-and-connect-with-node-red/78738/47 "2023-06-02T23:50:30Z")
> [@TotallyInformation](#):
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> apologies to anyone in or formally in the military
Years of operations research work for defense and homeland security organizations, here. This has as much to do with human intelligence/learning as the machine variety. When you reward something, you get more of it. The bigger the reward, the larger the acceptable penalty.
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### Author:  [@gregorius](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/gregorius)
#### Post date: [5 June 2023 08:28 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/article-fourteen-for-fourteen-against-why-i-love-hate-and-connect-with-node-red/78738/48 "2023-06-05T08:28:10Z")
> [@mudwalker](#):
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> The Register and immediately thought of this thread. It is an interesting story on AI...
Apparently that never happened, it was a case of [criti-hype](https://sts-news.medium.com/youre-doing-it-wrong-notes-on-criticism-and-technology-hype-18b08b4307e5).
The [source](https://doctorow.medium.com/ayyyyyy-eyeeeee-4ac92fa2eed) for that statement also talks about bias in AI:
> Algorithmic decision-support systems and classifiers can replicate the bias in their training data to reproduce racism, sexism, and other forms of discrimination at scale.
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> Machine learning systems don’t just reproduce and amplify bias
Interesting read...
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### Author:  [@system](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/system)
#### Post date: [4 August 2023 08:28 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/article-fourteen-for-fourteen-against-why-i-love-hate-and-connect-with-node-red/78738/49 "2023-08-04T08:28:51Z")
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