# Catch-all in group and order of insertion

**URL:** <https://discourse.nodered.org/t/catch-all-in-group-and-order-of-insertion/101178>\
**Category:** Core Development\
**Tags:** bug\
**Created:** [2 June 2026 18:07 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/catch-all-in-group-and-order-of-insertion/101178 "2026-06-02T18:07:33Z")\
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**Author:** ![gregorius](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/gregorius/32/73816_2.png) [@gregorius](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/gregorius)\
**Post date:** [2 June 2026 18:07 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/catch-all-in-group-and-order-of-insertion/101178/1 "2026-06-02T18:07:33Z")

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Hi There,

Yippee another nichy edge-case:

![Screen Recording 2026-06-02 at 19.53.01-2](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/uploads/nodered/original/3X/9/7/97ad1c3bca7f16b71e148b6c5d19da795a86bf17.gif)

What is happening?

The function nodes are generating exceptions and the catch 1 nodes are receiving those exceptions respectively (i.e. the `catch: 1` at the top catches the `function 22` errors and the `catch: 1` at the bottom catches the error of `function 1`).

The catch all in group node has the "Ignore errors handled by other Catch nodes" set in both cases meaning that since the exception is actually being handled by the `catch: 1` node, then it shouldn't be receiving the exceptions. This is happening in the top group but not in the bottom group - why?

Ordering.

The bottom group was created with the catch-all node being the first exception handler in the group, the `catch: 1` (for that group) was added _after_ the catch-all node. In the top group, the order was reversed: I added the `catch: 1` node to the group _before_ adding the catch-all node.

As I said, this is an edge case that can be fixed by re-adding the catch-all node to a group once all catch-1 nodes have been added. Just have to remember to do this every time a catch-1 node is added to a group ....

I don't know whether the flow attached will maintain the error when imported but if someone can confirm, that would be great.

Tested using NR 4.0.9

```flows
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**Post date:** [1 August 2026 18:08 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/catch-all-in-group-and-order-of-insertion/101178/2 "2026-08-01T18:08:02Z")

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