# \[Discussion\]Layout/syntax of the debug in complete object mode

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**Created:** [22 October 2021 09:09 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/discussion-layout-syntax-of-the-debug-in-complete-object-mode/52561 "2021-10-22T09:09:19Z")\
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**Author:** ![cymplecy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/cymplecy/32/2773_2.png) [@cymplecy](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/cymplecy)\
**Post date:** [22 October 2021 09:09 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/discussion-layout-syntax-of-the-debug-in-complete-object-mode/52561/1 "2021-10-22T09:09:19Z")

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Can we have a little chat about the look of the debug in complete object mode

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1st look is great - says we've got an object called msg  
 ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/uploads/nodered/original/3X/9/7/97d2f0b773386218f3076ea251eff1cbeccd3b0b.png)

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Clicking on arrow we get  
 ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/uploads/nodered/original/3X/f/7/f7e13cea7d30d382fe043934514153c55311e3b0.png)

In my mind - I think it should say msg: _object_ and not just _object_

My reasoning is, that when we click on the payload arrow we get  
 ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/uploads/nodered/original/3X/f/b/fbf28ab5a2576ccc7ccf4c10475246f4956f0027.png)

i.e it still says payload: _object_ and not just _object_

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The big one 🙂

![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/uploads/nodered/original/3X/4/3/43e47f27e60d4bf4f9cd9a8115cc4679883c8c6e.png)

When I look at this, due to the indenting, I read it as I have an object called msg, with inner objects called payload and completeData

And then within completeData, I have \_msgid, myymd and mytimes

But I don't of course, I have 5 objects at the same level

Is it just me that gets confused? 😃

What do other people think?

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**Post date:** [22 October 2021 09:31 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/discussion-layout-syntax-of-the-debug-in-complete-object-mode/52561/4 "2021-10-22T09:31:02Z")

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You aren't the only one to get confused 🙂

However, it is a fairly standard layout and I get the same cognitive dissonance in other applications as well 🤪

I guess I've always just assumed that it is how it is. Not that big a deal and I've never considered it enough of an issue to risk distraction from other developments.

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**Author:** ![cymplecy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/cymplecy/32/2773_2.png) [@cymplecy](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/cymplecy)\
**Post date:** [22 October 2021 09:32 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/discussion-layout-syntax-of-the-debug-in-complete-object-mode/52561/5 "2021-10-22T09:32:42Z")

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What about item 2?

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**Post date:** [22 October 2021 09:42 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/discussion-layout-syntax-of-the-debug-in-complete-object-mode/52561/6 "2021-10-22T09:42:58Z")

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Yes, I guess you are right, it would be more consistent. Probably easier for begginers to comprehend.

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**Author:** ![cymplecy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/cymplecy/32/2773_2.png) [@cymplecy](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/cymplecy)\
**Post date:** [22 October 2021 09:46 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/discussion-layout-syntax-of-the-debug-in-complete-object-mode/52561/7 "2021-10-22T09:46:40Z")

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While re-loooking at item 2 - I'm wondering if it should be indented?

![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/uploads/nodered/original/3X/e/b/ebd7482420703ed0d524758bdbfe5d08238af234.png)

![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/uploads/nodered/original/3X/c/5/c5afbd64674cf3930430af682dda32efe1ab8d21.png)

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**Post date:** [22 October 2021 09:49 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/discussion-layout-syntax-of-the-debug-in-complete-object-mode/52561/8 "2021-10-22T09:49:03Z")

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Slightly tricky to know - for me personally, the available width for showing information is important so I guess the question would be whether the clarity from indentation helps more than having space for information display?

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**Post date:** [21 December 2021 09:49 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/discussion-layout-syntax-of-the-debug-in-complete-object-mode/52561/9 "2021-12-21T09:49:14Z")

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