# Error Cannot read properties of undefined (

**URL:** <https://discourse.nodered.org/t/error-cannot-read-properties-of-undefined/85312>\
**Category:** General\
**Created:** [8 February 2024 07:31 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/error-cannot-read-properties-of-undefined/85312 "2024-02-08T07:31:54Z")\
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**Author:** ![Aklex1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/aklex1/32/19306_2.png) [@Aklex1](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Aklex1)\
**Post date:** [8 February 2024 07:31 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/error-cannot-read-properties-of-undefined/85312/1 "2024-02-08T07:31:54Z")

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When loading ipserver:1880, the node placement palette is not available and an error appears

**"Ошибка добавления потоков**  
**Cannot read properties of undefined (reading 'id')"**

node js 20.11.0  
node red 3.1.4

help solve the problem

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**Author:** ![Steve-Mcl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/steve-mcl/32/4826_2.png) [@Steve-Mcl](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Steve-Mcl)\
**Post date:** [8 February 2024 07:43 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/error-cannot-read-properties-of-undefined/85312/2 "2024-02-08T07:43:20Z")

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Hi. As node-red 3.1.4 is very new, you must have recently installed it so did you previously have a working node-red that you upgraded or is this the first time you have installed node-red on this computer?

What operating system is node-red installed on? (Is it containerised?)

What browser are you using?

Can you show us the browser's console logs?

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**Author:** ![Aklex1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/aklex1/32/19306_2.png) [@Aklex1](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Aklex1)\
**Post date:** [8 February 2024 07:54 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/error-cannot-read-properties-of-undefined/85312/3 "2024-02-08T07:54:06Z")

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![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/uploads/nodered/original/3X/d/2/d2463ab36f37eabae1e14e55f2ea0120abe627bb.png)

this is an initial installation on a VPS server with UBUNTU 22.04. I use chrome browser

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**Author:** ![Aklex1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/aklex1/32/19306_2.png) [@Aklex1](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Aklex1)\
**Post date:** [8 February 2024 07:55 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/error-cannot-read-properties-of-undefined/85312/4 "2024-02-08T07:55:28Z")

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![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/uploads/nodered/original/3X/b/3/b38fa679b4930d7b809eeed484a144d6fa65dfbd.png)

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**Author:** ![Steve-Mcl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/steve-mcl/32/4826_2.png) [@Steve-Mcl](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Steve-Mcl)\
**Post date:** [8 February 2024 09:02 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/error-cannot-read-properties-of-undefined/85312/5 "2024-02-08T09:02:56Z")

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Hi @Aklex1 I have just installed Node-RED 3.1.4 on an Ubuntu 22.04 with NodeJS 20 - it works for me.

 ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/uploads/nodered/original/3X/1/a/1aaa1921000ec25e6b336b7a599524839d340655.png)

Can you check your the network tab of devtools and refresh.

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**Author:** ![Aklex1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/aklex1/32/19306_2.png) [@Aklex1](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Aklex1)\
**Post date:** [9 February 2024 01:07 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/error-cannot-read-properties-of-undefined/85312/6 "2024-02-09T01:07:48Z")

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It was a rather unobvious problem. VPN extension with VPN enabled interfered. Maybe it will be useful for someone in the future with the same problem. In any case, thanks for the help!

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**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/uploads/nodered/original/1X/d073cd938eafa2e558d7c2cd59003b3ef4963033.png) [@system](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/system)\
**Post date:** [23 February 2024 01:08 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/error-cannot-read-properties-of-undefined/85312/7 "2024-02-23T01:08:33Z")

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