# Function Node on start not sending message

**URL:** <https://discourse.nodered.org/t/function-node-on-start-not-sending-message/88569>\
**Category:** General\
**Tags:** function-node\
**Created:** [9 June 2024 04:01 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/function-node-on-start-not-sending-message/88569 "2024-06-09T04:01:45Z")\
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**Post date:** [9 June 2024 05:41 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/function-node-on-start-not-sending-message/88569/2 "2024-06-09T05:41:53Z")

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> [@DustyButler](#):
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> node.send() does not send anything

It does, but it is dependant on order of creation and other factors. Read this: [Messages sent via "On Start" only reliable on partial deploy but not during " nodered.service" start. Possible? - #7 by Steve-Mcl](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/messages-sent-via-on-start-only-reliable-on-partial-deploy-but-not-during-nodered-service-start-possible/83989/7)

> [@DustyButler](#):
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> return msg; gives a "ReferenceError: msg is not defined"

As I would expect. The function will not have received an input msg, so it does not exist. (On start is the start of it's life's time & has never received a message)

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