","tot":"str"},{"t":"set","p":"background","pt":"msg","to":"red","tot":"str"},{"t":"set","p":"enabled","pt":"msg","to":"false","tot":"bool"}],"action":"","property":"","from":"","to":"","reg":false,"x":1165,"y":1430,"wires":[["3b76a45479264cad","092ca42c17689aa5"]],"l":false},{"id":"3b76a45479264cad","type":"ui_button","z":"b7458cdd.85349","g":"998e52a0534c7870","name":"","group":"55dfcd20.774cec","order":2,"width":"1","height":"1","passthru":false,"label":"{{msg.payload}}","tooltip":"","color":"","bgcolor":"{{background}}","icon":"","payload":"","payloadType":"str","topic":"","x":1280,"y":1410,"wires":[[]]},{"id":"55dfcd20.774cec","type":"ui_group","name":"Machine state control","tab":"7b4d3366.3e985c","order":6,"disp":true,"width":"4","collapse":false},{"id":"7b4d3366.3e985c","type":"ui_tab","name":"Alarmclock Telemetry","icon":"dashboard","order":1,"disabled":false,"hidden":false}]
```
And I am sorry for wasting your time and maybe not being clear.
I do appreciate it though. I really hope I learn from it. Just rocks aren't too accommodating to new information (I have rocks in my head - so I am told)
I am confused about _pasting only what is needed_ and keeping the examples simple.
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### Author:  [@jbudd](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/jbudd)
#### Post date: [28 February 2022 00:03 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/help-with-trigger-node-and-sending-messages/59084/9 "2022-02-28T00:03:21Z")
OK then, as a hopefully useful sideline
Here is a function node with three different ways of constructing a message with a javascript object in the payload
```auto
// First method - create a new, empty message then give it a payload
var newmsg1 = {};
newmsg1.payload = {"temp": 27, "humidity": 85};
node.send(newmsg1);
// Second method - create a new message all in one line
var newmsg2 = {"payload": {"temp": 27, "humidity": 85}};
node.send(newmsg2);
// Third method - use the existing message but change the payload
msg.payload = {};
msg.payload.temp = 27;
msg.payload.humidity = 85;
return msg;
```
I think they are all perfectly valid.
The second approach is the one you seem to prefer, but I find it confusing and it always takes me several tries to get the quotes and brackets right.
So I will usually use the third method because it has the absolute minimum of quotes and brackets and I don't need to declare a new variable for the message.
Occasionally I opt for the first method if it's a fairly simple javascript object.
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### Author:  [@Trying\_to\_learn](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Trying_to_learn)
#### Post date: [28 February 2022 00:06 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/help-with-trigger-node-and-sending-messages/59084/10 "2022-02-28T00:06:53Z")
I'm ok with that... But I don't know how that applies to getting a complicated message out of the `trigger` node.
I am suspicious I was just asking too much of it, and I - now - accept this as probably the reason it wasn't working as I wanted.
(Because the `trigger` node send a `msg.payload` and not a `msg.` - yes?
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### Author:  [@jbudd](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/jbudd)
#### Post date: [28 February 2022 00:14 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/help-with-trigger-node-and-sending-messages/59084/11 "2022-02-28T00:14:19Z")
You are not wasting my time.
Trying to answer questions in the forum helps me learn and I often discover things I misunderstood before.
Your solution using change nodes to set msg.payload, msg.background and msg.enabled seems to work.
There are several other ways to achieve the same thing but yours is as good as any other.
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### Author:  [@Trying\_to\_learn](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Trying_to_learn)
#### Post date: [28 February 2022 00:15 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/help-with-trigger-node-and-sending-messages/59084/12 "2022-02-28T00:15:48Z")
But the`trigger` node.... It's output... It is `msg.payload....` and not `msg.......` as I was thinking originally when trying to send the complicated `{ }` (and/or) text strings with other attributes.
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### Author:  [@jbudd](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/jbudd)
#### Post date: [28 February 2022 00:16 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/help-with-trigger-node-and-sending-messages/59084/13 "2022-02-28T00:16:45Z")
As far as I know the trigger node can only set msg.payload. A change node is a good place to set multiple message properties.
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### Author:  [@Trying\_to\_learn](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Trying_to_learn)
#### Post date: [28 February 2022 00:17 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/help-with-trigger-node-and-sending-messages/59084/14 "2022-02-28T00:17:17Z")
I goofed. Ooops. 😉
I'll probably leave it as I posted. I kind of understand that better.
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### Author:  [@zenofmud](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/zenofmud)
#### Post date: [28 February 2022 02:33 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/help-with-trigger-node-and-sending-messages/59084/15 "2022-02-28T02:33:57Z")
All nodes pass a **msg** down the wire. One of the properties of a msg can be ‘payload’ or ‘topic’ or ‘myspecialproperty’ but it doesn’t **have** to have ‘payload’ as part of the msg but ‘payload’ is pretty much expected to be there.
Hope that helps
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### Author:  [@Trying\_to\_learn](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Trying_to_learn)
#### Post date: [28 February 2022 23:17 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/help-with-trigger-node-and-sending-messages/59084/16 "2022-02-28T23:17:20Z")
Yeah, I got _hung up_ on that point. It is the `msg.payload` that is sent out.
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### Author:  [@system](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/system)
#### Post date: [14 March 2022 23:17 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/help-with-trigger-node-and-sending-messages/59084/17 "2022-03-14T23:17:36Z")
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