# Installing and Upgrading Node-RED help needed

**URL:** <https://discourse.nodered.org/t/installing-and-upgrading-node-red-help-needed/101836>\
**Category:** General\
**Created:** [28 September 2026 12:47 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/installing-and-upgrading-node-red-help-needed/101836 "2026-09-28T12:47:48Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![eddee54455](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/eddee54455/32/43350_2.png) [@eddee54455](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/eddee54455)\
**Post date:** [28 September 2026 12:47 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/installing-and-upgrading-node-red-help-needed/101836/1 "2026-09-28T12:47:48Z")

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Hi Y'all!

I am trying to update my node red installation using the script - Runs no problem....BUT....

I would like to install a later version of nodejs, hence me "poking the bear"...

The install script installs nodejs version "node":"v22.15.0","npm":"11.19.1"

Telegram bot needs "node":"\>=22.19.0"

There is an update to v22, it is v22.23.3 which the telegram node should be able to use...

I have tried to do the update script with --node24 and with --node23 but my pi is only on Bullseye/11 and from what I can determine, this is a bit out of date for nodejs 23 or 24...

I have managed to install V22.23.3 and set it to default but cannot get node-red to use it...

I am not keen on doing an OS upgrade at the moment if at all possible...

Any pointers as to getting it rolling?

TIA  
Ed

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**Author:** ![Colin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/colin/32/17040_2.png) [@Colin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Colin)\
**Post date:** [28 September 2026 13:17 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/installing-and-upgrading-node-red-help-needed/101836/2 "2026-09-28T13:17:48Z")

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[Edit], before running the commands below, run `sudo apt update`

What do the commands  
`apt policy nodejs`  
`which node`  
and  
`node -v`  
show?

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**Author:** ![eddee54455](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/eddee54455/32/43350_2.png) [@eddee54455](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/eddee54455)\
**Post date:** [28 September 2026 13:38 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/installing-and-upgrading-node-red-help-needed/101836/3 "2026-09-28T13:38:57Z")

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> [@Colin](#):
>
> apt policy nodejs

```auto
nodejs:
  Installed: 22.15.0-1nodesource1
  Candidate: 22.15.0-1nodesource1
  Version table:
 *** 22.15.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
     22.14.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.13.1-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.13.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.12.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.11.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.10.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.9.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.8.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.7.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.6.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.5.1-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.5.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.4.1-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.4.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.3.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.2.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.1.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.0.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     12.22.12~dfsg-1~deb11u8 500
        500 http://raspbian.raspberrypi.org/raspbian bullseye/main armhf Packages

```

```auto
which node
/home/pi/.config/nvm/versions/node/v22.23.3/bin/node

```

```auto
node -v
v22.23.3

```

```auto
And for good measure, the log of the failed telegrambot install:
2026-09-28T13:33:55.947Z Install : node-red-contrib-telegrambot 19.0.3

2026-09-28T13:33:55.985Z /usr/bin/node /usr/lib/node_modules/node-red/node_modules/npm/bin/npm-cli.js install --no-audit --no-update-notifier --no-fund --save --save-prefix=\~ --omit=dev --engine-strict -- node-red-contrib-telegrambot@19.0.3

2026-09-28T13:34:00.513Z \[err\] npm error code EBADENGINE

2026-09-28T13:34:00.513Z \[err\] npm error engine Unsupported engine

2026-09-28T13:34:00.513Z \[err\] npm error engine Not compatible with your version of node/npm: node-red-contrib-telegrambot@19.0.3

2026-09-28T13:34:00.517Z \[err\] npm error notsup Not compatible with your version of node/npm: node-red-contrib-telegrambot@19.0.3

2026-09-28T13:34:00.517Z \[err\] npm error notsup Required: {"node":">=22.19.0"}

2026-09-28T13:34:00.517Z \[err\] npm error notsup Actual: {"node":"v22.15.0","npm":"11.19.1"}

2026-09-28T13:34:00.524Z \[err\] npm error A complete log of this run can be found in: /home/pi/.npm/\_logs/2026-09-28T13_33_56_732Z-debug-0.log

2026-09-28T13:34:00.543Z rc=1

```

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**Author:** ![Colin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/colin/32/17040_2.png) [@Colin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Colin)\
**Post date:** [28 September 2026 14:14 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/installing-and-upgrading-node-red-help-needed/101836/4 "2026-09-28T14:14:24Z")

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Did you run `sudo apt update` first?

The reason it is not finding the nodejs install is because you have installed it using nvm, which, for the purposes of use with node-red, is generally not a good idea.

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**Author:** ![eddee54455](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/eddee54455/32/43350_2.png) [@eddee54455](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/eddee54455)\
**Post date:** [28 September 2026 14:20 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/installing-and-upgrading-node-red-help-needed/101836/5 "2026-09-28T14:20:39Z")

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I have run apt update.

I have also uninstalled via system and then reinstalled/refreshed via the node red script. This installs nodejs v22.15.0 - Telegrambot needs \>=22.19.0.

This was a try with v22.23 installed via nvm if I remember correctly...

Ed

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**Author:** ![Colin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/colin/32/17040_2.png) [@Colin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Colin)\
**Post date:** [28 September 2026 14:24 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/installing-and-upgrading-node-red-help-needed/101836/6 "2026-09-28T14:24:00Z")

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> [@eddee54455](#):
>
> I have run apt update.

Was that before the `apt policy` command. I thought that 22.23 was available for armhf on nodesource.

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**Author:** ![eddee54455](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/eddee54455/32/43350_2.png) [@eddee54455](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/eddee54455)\
**Post date:** [28 September 2026 14:29 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/installing-and-upgrading-node-red-help-needed/101836/7 "2026-09-28T14:29:08Z")

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here it is again...

```auto
sudo apt update
Hit:1 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro InRelease                                              
Get:2 https://repos.influxdata.com/debian stable InRelease [6,922 B]                                       
Hit:3 http://raspbian.raspberrypi.org/raspbian bullseye InRelease                                          
Get:4 http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian bullseye InRelease [39.0 kB]                                   
Hit:5 https://apt.grafana.com stable InRelease                                                             
Hit:6 https://download.webmin.com/download/newkey/repository stable InRelease                              
Get:7 http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian bullseye/main armhf Packages [330 kB]
Fetched 376 kB in 3s (117 kB/s)   
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
All packages are up to date.
pi@InvPi2:~ $ apt policy nodejs
nodejs:
  Installed: 22.15.0-1nodesource1
  Candidate: 22.15.0-1nodesource1
  Version table:
 *** 22.15.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
     22.14.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.13.1-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.13.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.12.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.11.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.10.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.9.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.8.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.7.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.6.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.5.1-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.5.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.4.1-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.4.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.3.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.2.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.1.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     22.0.0-1nodesource1 500
        500 https://deb.nodesource.com/node_22.x nodistro/main armhf Packages
     12.22.12~dfsg-1~deb11u8 500
        500 http://raspbian.raspberrypi.org/raspbian bullseye/main armhf Packages

```

Ed

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**Author:** ![Colin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/colin/32/17040_2.png) [@Colin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Colin)\
**Post date:** [28 September 2026 14:33 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/installing-and-upgrading-node-red-help-needed/101836/8 "2026-09-28T14:33:08Z")

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You are right, only 22.15 is available.

I don't know how to make node-red use the nvm install, sorry.

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**Author:** ![dceejay](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/dceejay/32/38_2.png) [@dceejay](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/dceejay)\
**Post date:** [29 September 2026 07:28 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/installing-and-upgrading-node-red-help-needed/101836/9 "2026-09-29T07:28:36Z")

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How are you running Node-RED ? If you are trying to run it as a service it won’t pick up the nvm version of node. If you just run node-red from the command line it should pick up the one that node -v reports. (But then you can’t close that window etc)

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**Author:** ![eddee54455](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/eddee54455/32/43350_2.png) [@eddee54455](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/eddee54455)\
**Post date:** [29 September 2026 09:52 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/installing-and-upgrading-node-red-help-needed/101836/10 "2026-09-29T09:52:17Z")

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Hi @dceejay,

I am running it as a service - it is on a dedicated pi with grafana and a few utils for my home auto...

TIA  
Ed

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**Author:** ![Colin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/colin/32/17040_2.png) [@Colin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Colin)\
**Post date:** [29 September 2026 10:31 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/installing-and-upgrading-node-red-help-needed/101836/11 "2026-09-29T10:31:54Z")

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The easiest solution may be to stick with the earlier nodejs and install an earlier version of the telegram node (18.1.1)

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**Author:** ![eddee54455](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/eddee54455/32/43350_2.png) [@eddee54455](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/eddee54455)\
**Post date:** [29 September 2026 10:46 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/installing-and-upgrading-node-red-help-needed/101836/12 "2026-09-29T10:46:25Z")

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@Colin I have a functioning Telegrambot active... there is an update for it which I would like to use to keep my system fully up to date...

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**Author:** ![mudwalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@mudwalker](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/mudwalker)\
**Post date:** [29 September 2026 11:04 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/installing-and-upgrading-node-red-help-needed/101836/13 "2026-09-29T11:04:52Z")

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Could or would it be an an idea to update to V24 using the --node24 option?

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**Author:** ![eddee54455](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/eddee54455/32/43350_2.png) [@eddee54455](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/eddee54455)\
**Post date:** [29 September 2026 11:11 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/installing-and-upgrading-node-red-help-needed/101836/14 "2026-09-29T11:11:36Z")

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@mudwalker .... tried that....needs a ??C library?? version only available for later versions of OS...

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**Author:** ![Colin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/colin/32/17040_2.png) [@Colin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Colin)\
**Post date:** [29 September 2026 11:12 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/installing-and-upgrading-node-red-help-needed/101836/15 "2026-09-29T11:12:52Z")

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As I understand it, nodejs 24 is only for 64 bit OS. @eddee54455 would have to upgrade the OS to a 64 bit version.

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**Author:** ![Colin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/colin/32/17040_2.png) [@Colin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Colin)\
**Post date:** [29 September 2026 11:14 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/installing-and-upgrading-node-red-help-needed/101836/16 "2026-09-29T11:14:31Z")

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Did you try asking AI how to use the nvm version of nodejs in the systemd script?

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**Author:** ![eddee54455](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/eddee54455/32/43350_2.png) [@eddee54455](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/eddee54455)\
**Post date:** [29 September 2026 11:15 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/installing-and-upgrading-node-red-help-needed/101836/17 "2026-09-29T11:15:42Z")

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@Colin

```auto
pi@InvPi2:~ $ cat /etc/os-release
PRETTY_NAME="Raspbian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)"
NAME="Raspbian GNU/Linux"
VERSION_ID="11"
VERSION="11 (bullseye)"
VERSION_CODENAME=bullseye
ID=raspbian
ID_LIKE=debian
HOME_URL="http://www.raspbian.org/"
SUPPORT_URL="http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianForums"
BUG_REPORT_URL="http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianBugs"
pi@InvPi2:~ $ uname -m
aarch64

```

It is a 64bit...

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**Author:** ![mudwalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@mudwalker](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/mudwalker)\
**Post date:** [29 September 2026 11:16 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/installing-and-upgrading-node-red-help-needed/101836/18 "2026-09-29T11:16:10Z")

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Apologies, missed that at the top!

I must admit that I vaguely remember the same problem when trying to update one of my RPi's, so this might come along and bite me too as I use Telegrambot as well.

EDIT: I think I now recall which RPi, I will try to see what happens going through the same loops. I only use the script on the bare system though.

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**Author:** ![mudwalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@mudwalker](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/mudwalker)\
**Post date:** [29 September 2026 11:27 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/installing-and-upgrading-node-red-help-needed/101836/19 "2026-09-29T11:27:50Z")

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Just checked, the system is on Bookworm Release.

Memories slowly coming back, I had to update from Bullseye so that I could install Node24 for Telegram. I did keep my fingers crossed as I did the OS update, but all went well. (RPi4 with external USB Disk Drive.)

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**Author:** ![Colin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/colin/32/17040_2.png) [@Colin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Colin)\
**Post date:** [29 September 2026 11:28 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/installing-and-upgrading-node-red-help-needed/101836/20 "2026-09-29T11:28:19Z")

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I am running nodejs 24 on a pi with bullseye, which shows exactly the same for os-release and uname -m. What sort of pi is it?

Also what is in the file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/nodesource.list

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