# Is there any way to update the flow creds encryption key outside of the editor?
**URL:** https://discourse.nodered.org/t/is-there-any-way-to-update-the-flow-creds-encryption-key-outside-of-the-editor/86814
**Category:** General
**Created:** [28 March 2024 00:12 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/is-there-any-way-to-update-the-flow-creds-encryption-key-outside-of-the-editor/86814 "2024-03-28T00:12:08Z")
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### Author:  [@raspberry](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/raspberry)
#### Post date: [28 March 2024 00:12 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/is-there-any-way-to-update-the-flow-creds-encryption-key-outside-of-the-editor/86814/1 "2024-03-28T00:12:08Z")
Hello,
I am about to do an update on a remotely deployed node-red instance. I can only access the command line of the machine running node-red, so no editor access. If I ever need to change the flow credentials key for the project, or disable encrypted credentials, can that be done anywhere outside of the editor?
Thanks in advance!
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### Author:  [@Steve-Mcl](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Steve-Mcl)
#### Post date: [28 March 2024 06:06 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/is-there-any-way-to-update-the-flow-creds-encryption-key-outside-of-the-editor/86814/2 "2024-03-28T06:06:30Z")
> [@raspberry](#):
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> I can only access the command line of the machine running node-red, so no editor access
Why not? Have you disabled the editor? Have you closed access to port 1880?
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### Author:  [@raspberry](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/raspberry)
#### Post date: [28 March 2024 17:30 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/is-there-any-way-to-update-the-flow-creds-encryption-key-outside-of-the-editor/86814/3 "2024-03-28T17:30:28Z")
Well--that's a good point. I guess I haven't fully explored what is possible with the remote machine. I should say, the machine hosting node-red is not on the local network. It is remotely deployed and I can only access it with a special remote-assist tool we put on the machine that establishes an SSH tunnel for command line access.
This is a topic beyond a node-red I'm sure. But if anyone has had experience or suggestions with accessing 1880 on a device not on the local network, I'd be appreciative.
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### Author:  [@Steve-Mcl](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Steve-Mcl)
#### Post date: [28 March 2024 20:48 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/is-there-any-way-to-update-the-flow-creds-encryption-key-outside-of-the-editor/86814/4 "2024-03-28T20:48:06Z")
If you were using FlowFuse and the FlowFuse device agent on the remote device, this would be a no brainer. It gives you the ability to manage and administer and edit flows remotely (all secured). _full disclosure, I work for FlowFuse as well as being a maintainer of Node-RED_
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### Author:  [@raspberry](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/raspberry)
#### Post date: [28 March 2024 21:11 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/is-there-any-way-to-update-the-flow-creds-encryption-key-outside-of-the-editor/86814/5 "2024-03-28T21:11:40Z")
Hey Steve, thanks for the info. I don't know much about FlowFuse but seems tailor made for this case. I'll dig deeper into it as a long term option for maintaining the devices fleet.
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### Author:  [@system](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/system)
#### Post date: [26 June 2024 21:11 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/is-there-any-way-to-update-the-flow-creds-encryption-key-outside-of-the-editor/86814/6 "2024-06-26T21:11:43Z")
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