# Manage palette is missing after fresh install Node red 4.09 (Dietpi)
**URL:** https://discourse.nodered.org/t/manage-palette-is-missing-after-fresh-install-node-red-4-09-dietpi/97142
**Category:** General
**Created:** [19 May 2025 07:51 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/manage-palette-is-missing-after-fresh-install-node-red-4-09-dietpi/97142 "2025-05-19T07:51:46Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@devifast](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/devifast)
#### Post date: [19 May 2025 07:51 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/manage-palette-is-missing-after-fresh-install-node-red-4-09-dietpi/97142/1 "2025-05-19T07:51:46Z")
Manage palette is missing after fresh install Node red 4.09 and fresh install Dietpi.
on Rpi zero2.
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### Author:  [@TotallyInformation](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/TotallyInformation)
#### Post date: [19 May 2025 09:26 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/manage-palette-is-missing-after-fresh-install-node-red-4-09-dietpi/97142/2 "2025-05-19T09:26:42Z")
Can you share the start of the log output? Also are any errors showing up in the log?
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### Author:  [@devifast](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/devifast)
#### Post date: [19 May 2025 09:42 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/manage-palette-is-missing-after-fresh-install-node-red-4-09-dietpi/97142/3 "2025-05-19T09:42:27Z")
How to generate a log file.
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### Author:  [@TotallyInformation](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/TotallyInformation)
#### Post date: [19 May 2025 09:53 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/manage-palette-is-missing-after-fresh-install-node-red-4-09-dietpi/97142/4 "2025-05-19T09:53:43Z")
Did you use the Raspberry Pi installer script to install Node-RED?
If so, the log is controlled by systemd. `sudo journalctl -u node-red` I think will then show you the log.
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### Author:  [@devifast](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/devifast)
#### Post date: [19 May 2025 10:11 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/manage-palette-is-missing-after-fresh-install-node-red-4-09-dietpi/97142/5 "2025-05-19T10:11:25Z")
```auto
root@mario:~# sudo journalctl -u node-red
May 19 12:45:32 mario systemd[1]: Started node-red.service - Node-RED (DietPi).
May 19 12:45:38 mario node-red[418]: 19 May 12:45:38 - [info]
May 19 12:45:38 mario node-red[418]: Welcome to Node-RED
May 19 12:45:38 mario node-red[418]: ===================
May 19 12:45:38 mario node-red[418]: 19 May 12:45:38 - [info] Node-RED version: v4.0.9
May 19 12:45:38 mario node-red[418]: 19 May 12:45:38 - [info] Node.js version: v24.0.2
May 19 12:45:38 mario node-red[418]: 19 May 12:45:38 - [info] Linux 6.12.25+rpt-rpi-v8 arm64 LE
May 19 12:45:38 mario node-red[418]: (node:418) [DEP0190] DeprecationWarning: Passing args to a child process with shell option true can lead to security vulnerabilities, as the arguments are not escaped, only concatenated.
May 19 12:45:38 mario node-red[418]: (Use `node --trace-deprecation ...` to show where the warning was created)
May 19 12:45:38 mario node-red[418]: 19 May 12:45:38 - [info] Palette editor disabled : npm command not found
May 19 12:45:38 mario node-red[418]: 19 May 12:45:38 - [info] Loading palette nodes
May 19 12:45:43 mario node-red[418]: 19 May 12:45:43 - [info] Settings file : /mnt/dietpi_userdata/node-red/settings.js
May 19 12:45:43 mario node-red[418]: 19 May 12:45:43 - [info] Context store : 'default' [module=memory]
May 19 12:45:43 mario node-red[418]: 19 May 12:45:43 - [info] User directory : /mnt/dietpi_userdata/node-red
May 19 12:45:43 mario node-red[418]: 19 May 12:45:43 - [warn] Projects disabled : editorTheme.projects.enabled=false
May 19 12:45:43 mario node-red[418]: 19 May 12:45:43 - [info] Flows file : /mnt/dietpi_userdata/node-red/flows.json
May 19 12:45:43 mario node-red[418]: 19 May 12:45:43 - [info] Creating new flow file
May 19 12:45:43 mario node-red[418]: 19 May 12:45:43 - [warn]
May 19 12:45:43 mario node-red[418]: ---------------------------------------------------------------------
May 19 12:45:43 mario node-red[418]: Your flow credentials file is encrypted using a system-generated key.
May 19 12:45:43 mario node-red[418]: If the system-generated key is lost for any reason, your credentials
May 19 12:45:43 mario node-red[418]: file will not be recoverable, you will have to delete it and re-enter
May 19 12:45:43 mario node-red[418]: your credentials.
May 19 12:45:43 mario node-red[418]: You should set your own key using the 'credentialSecret' option in
May 19 12:45:43 mario node-red[418]: your settings file. Node-RED will then re-encrypt your credentials
May 19 12:45:43 mario node-red[418]: file using your chosen key the next time you deploy a change.
May 19 12:45:43 mario node-red[418]: ---------------------------------------------------------------------
May 19 12:45:43 mario node-red[418]: 19 May 12:45:43 - [warn] Encrypted credentials not found
May 19 12:45:43 mario node-red[418]: 19 May 12:45:43 - [info] Starting flows
May 19 12:45:43 mario node-red[418]: 19 May 12:45:43 - [info] Started flows
May 19 12:45:43 mario node-red[418]: 19 May 12:45:43 - [info] Server now running at http://127.0.0.1:1880/
root@mario:~#
```
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### Author:  [@TotallyInformation](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/TotallyInformation)
#### Post date: [19 May 2025 11:39 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/manage-palette-is-missing-after-fresh-install-node-red-4-09-dietpi/97142/6 "2025-05-19T11:39:47Z")
> [@devifast](#):
>
> `Node.js version: v24.0.2`
I'm not sure how well tested Node-RED is with Node.js v24?
> [@devifast](#):
>
> `[info] Palette editor disabled : npm command not found`
I wonder if something in npm has changed? I've not yet looked at node.js v24
I would recommend downgrading node.js to v22 for now.
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### Author:  [@devifast](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/devifast)
#### Post date: [19 May 2025 11:47 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/manage-palette-is-missing-after-fresh-install-node-red-4-09-dietpi/97142/7 "2025-05-19T11:47:42Z")
How to downgrade npm to ver 22?
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### Author:  [@Colin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Colin)
#### Post date: [19 May 2025 12:11 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/manage-palette-is-missing-after-fresh-install-node-red-4-09-dietpi/97142/8 "2025-05-19T12:11:23Z")
The log suggests that npm is not installed. Run `npm -v` to check that.
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### Author:  [@devifast](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/devifast)
#### Post date: [19 May 2025 12:38 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/manage-palette-is-missing-after-fresh-install-node-red-4-09-dietpi/97142/9 "2025-05-19T12:38:17Z")
I make a clean install again. The result is a same. Missing pallete manager.
Version of npm is:
```auto
root@DietPi:~# npm -v
11.3.0
root@DietPi:~#
```
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### Author:  [@Colin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Colin)
#### Post date: [19 May 2025 13:36 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/manage-palette-is-missing-after-fresh-install-node-red-4-09-dietpi/97142/10 "2025-05-19T13:36:52Z")
How did you install?
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### Author:  [@hardillb](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/hardillb)
#### Post date: [19 May 2025 15:14 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/manage-palette-is-missing-after-fresh-install-node-red-4-09-dietpi/97142/11 "2025-05-19T15:14:02Z")
What user is Node-RED running as?
Did you use a tool like `n` or `nvm` to install NodeJS? These tools ONLY install NodeJS for that single user, not system wide, so if it's a different user to root, then they won't have access.
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### Author:  [@devifast](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/devifast)
#### Post date: [19 May 2025 15:18 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/manage-palette-is-missing-after-fresh-install-node-red-4-09-dietpi/97142/12 "2025-05-19T15:18:51Z")
I install node red via dietpi install manager.
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### Author:  [@Colin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Colin)
#### Post date: [19 May 2025 17:18 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/manage-palette-is-missing-after-fresh-install-node-red-4-09-dietpi/97142/13 "2025-05-19T17:18:26Z")
How did you install nodejs?
Also, did you manually install npm?
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### Author:  [@devifast](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/devifast)
#### Post date: [20 May 2025 03:49 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/manage-palette-is-missing-after-fresh-install-node-red-4-09-dietpi/97142/14 "2025-05-20T03:49:26Z")
Everithyng is instaled automaticaly with Node Red.
I've done countless installations this way. The problem is apparently recent.
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### Author:  [@Colin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Colin)
#### Post date: [20 May 2025 06:05 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/manage-palette-is-missing-after-fresh-install-node-red-4-09-dietpi/97142/15 "2025-05-20T06:05:43Z")
I think you will need to ask on a dietpi forum then.
As a matter of interest, why are you using dietpi rather than the lite headless version of the regular pi os?
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### Author:  [@devifast](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/devifast)
#### Post date: [20 May 2025 07:12 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/manage-palette-is-missing-after-fresh-install-node-red-4-09-dietpi/97142/16 "2025-05-20T07:12:26Z")
When I discovered Node Red the version was 0.17.
I was trying to make a controller based on the Rpi Zero W, at that time it was single-core and I wanted to reduce the CPU load and read/write of the SD card to a minimum. At that time the alternative was Dietpi. With Raspbian the SD card crashed constantly while with Dietpi things were completely different. Then the RPI Zero 2 came out with four cores and things got drastically better. Luckily for me I found EMMC memory that fits in the SD card slot and since then the data loss and operating system crash have stopped (I have systems that have been running for a whole year).
In general, that's why I use Dietpi.
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### Author:  [@Colin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Colin)
#### Post date: [20 May 2025 08:16 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/manage-palette-is-missing-after-fresh-install-node-red-4-09-dietpi/97142/17 "2025-05-20T08:16:46Z")
I have a pi that has been running 24/7 for about 7 years with hardly a glitch.
Let us know when you get a response on the Dietpi forum.
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### Author:  [@j2002](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/j2002)
#### Post date: [20 May 2025 13:15 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/manage-palette-is-missing-after-fresh-install-node-red-4-09-dietpi/97142/18 "2025-05-20T13:15:46Z")
Maybe it's silly but just in case: some time ago I lost ‘manage palette’ and the problem was that the screen resolution was changed and it went out of the screen.
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### Author:  [@Colin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Colin)
#### Post date: [20 May 2025 14:11 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/manage-palette-is-missing-after-fresh-install-node-red-4-09-dietpi/97142/19 "2025-05-20T14:11:25Z")
You can see from the error:
> [@devifast](#):
>
> `Palette editor disabled : npm command not found`
that the problem is that node red cannot find npm.
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### Author:  [@Colin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Colin)
#### Post date: [20 May 2025 14:36 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/manage-palette-is-missing-after-fresh-install-node-red-4-09-dietpi/97142/20 "2025-05-20T14:36:28Z")
@devifast, what does the command
`which npm` show, running in a command window and also if you run it using an exec node in node-red.
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