# Msg : "Error saving flows - msg : undefined undefined **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Created:** [21 December 2018 15:48 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/msg-error-saving-flows-msg-undefined-undefined/6038 "2018-12-21T15:48:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1

**Author:** ![freddyandresh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/4491bb/32.png) [@freddyandresh](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/freddyandresh)\ **Post date:** [21 December 2018 15:48 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/msg-error-saving-flows-msg-undefined-undefined/6038/1 "2018-12-21T15:48:33Z")

Hello Experts, We have been working on a Web App in bluemix(IBM Cloud) using node-red, recently we have started receiving an unexpected error with not much detail of what is wrong. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/uploads/nodered/original/2X/c/ca1f590a3e31a36b7c78aad96617dfb157c97975.png) When we run node-red in IBM cloud, the flows are stored in cloudant database, we have noticed that the error appears when we add new nodes or new lines to existing nodes, like if there is a limit of data that can be managed by the deploy action. Can anybody confirmed this, we are using cloudant lite free version, which give us: 20 Lookups per second 10 Writes per second 5 Queries per second 1GB Storage limit Maybe is something related to the database? is node red doing multiples writes when the deploy button is pressed? Any help would be appreciated. PD I have tried to check the logs and I don't see any meaningful information about the error. Thanks ---

**Author:** ![knolleary](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/knolleary/32/3_2.png) [@knolleary](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/knolleary)\ **Post date:** [21 December 2018 16:19 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/msg-error-saving-flows-msg-undefined-undefined/6038/2 "2018-12-21T16:19:40Z")

There is also a per-document size limit. You are probably hitting that if it happens when you try adding more things to your flows. ---

**Author:** ![patrick2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ab097/32.png) [@patrick2000](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/patrick2000)\ **Post date:** [1 March 2019 22:02 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/msg-error-saving-flows-msg-undefined-undefined/6038/3 "2019-03-01T22:02:10Z")

Hi have this error me too. I don't have only "inject" node and "debug" node on my flow, and I link both. No change I tried many different setup, option. But, it's really basic... I don't understand the error: 3/1/2019, 4:56:55 PMmsg : undefined undefined 3/1/2019, 4:56:57 PMmsg : string[20] "Error saving flows: " 3/1/2019, 4:56:57 PMmsg : undefined undefined 3/1/2019, 4:57:55 PMmsg : string[20] "Error saving flows: " 3/1/2019, 4:57:56 PMmsg : undefined undefined 3/1/2019, 4:58:09 PMmsg : string[20] "Error saving flows: " 3/1/2019, 4:58:09 PM msg : undefined undefined ---

**Author:** ![ukmoose](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/ukmoose/32/13_2.png) [@ukmoose](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/ukmoose)\ **Post date:** [2 March 2019 07:34 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/msg-error-saving-flows-msg-undefined-undefined/6038/4 "2019-03-02T07:34:46Z")

is this also on ibm’s cloud or on your own machine. if it is your own machine what is it and please copy and paste the startup logs from node-red ---

**Author:** ![patrick2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ab097/32.png) [@patrick2000](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/patrick2000)\ **Post date:** [2 March 2019 19:43 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/msg-error-saving-flows-msg-undefined-undefined/6038/5 "2019-03-02T19:43:20Z")

Thanks ukmoose for the time to reply It's on IBM cloud (bluemix). Simple error: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/uploads/nodered/original/2X/a/ad2c225622dc27ae101d8b74a314bc8ff25f093b.png) ---

**Author:** ![patrick2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ab097/32.png) [@patrick2000](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/patrick2000)\ **Post date:** [2 March 2019 19:43 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/msg-error-saving-flows-msg-undefined-undefined/6038/6 "2019-03-02T19:43:59Z")

second image error: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/uploads/nodered/original/2X/a/ac718f5d8db73c51618ac8968cadecd7388d63a8.png) ---

**Author:** ![patrick2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ab097/32.png) [@patrick2000](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/patrick2000)\ **Post date:** [2 March 2019 19:48 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/msg-error-saving-flows-msg-undefined-undefined/6038/7 "2019-03-02T19:48:00Z")

and here, the node configuraiton: ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/uploads/nodered/original/2X/e/ee1cab539835e82b44bb164dd89073ba3bd58931.png) I think it's about msg configuration and.. the error same in the second node... because.. if a I push button to deploy only 1 node, the first one give a warning message. and the last one (Debug), give the error error: node not deployed.. it is the msg.. is not pass from first to second node.. missing config. .. probably... ---

**Author:** ![Vasuki-munirathinam](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/vasuki-munirathinam/32/70954_2.png) [@Vasuki-munirathinam](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Vasuki-munirathinam)\ **Post date:** [18 November 2022 09:44 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/msg-error-saving-flows-msg-undefined-undefined/6038/8 "2022-11-18T09:44:17Z")

can you please help me with this i am also having the same issues ---

**Author:** ![zenofmud](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/zenofmud/32/316_2.png) [@zenofmud](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/zenofmud)\ **Post date:** [18 November 2022 14:09 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/msg-error-saving-flows-msg-undefined-undefined/6038/9 "2022-11-18T14:09:38Z")

@Vasuki-munirathinam Welcome to the forum As this thread is four years old, I'll ask you to open a new thrad explainng our problem. As for now I will be closing this thread. ---