# No manage pallete selection in drop down menu
**URL:** https://discourse.nodered.org/t/no-manage-pallete-selection-in-drop-down-menu/95192
**Category:** General
**Created:** [6 February 2025 19:52 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/no-manage-pallete-selection-in-drop-down-menu/95192 "2025-02-06T19:52:59Z")
**Posts on this page:** 8
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### Author:  [@gerry](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/gerry)
#### Post date: [6 February 2025 19:52 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/no-manage-pallete-selection-in-drop-down-menu/95192/1 "2025-02-06T19:52:59Z")
Pi4, node red 4.08, js 22, just like it says there is no manage pallete in the drop down menu. Restarted node red, no effect. Rebooted pi no effect. Out of 3 pi's this is the only one doing this. Any quick fix or do a reinstall?
Thanks
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### Author:  [@Colin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Colin)
#### Post date: [6 February 2025 20:08 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/no-manage-pallete-selection-in-drop-down-menu/95192/2 "2025-02-06T20:08:38Z")
Open a command window and see what this command shows
`npm -v`
I suspect that npm is not installed.
The pi install script should install nodejs in a way that includes npm.
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### Author:  [@Steve-Mcl](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Steve-Mcl)
#### Post date: [6 February 2025 20:09 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/no-manage-pallete-selection-in-drop-down-menu/95192/3 "2025-02-06T20:09:59Z")
Also, to rule out its not an account thing, do `npm -v` in an exec node (that will use the account node-red is running in)
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### Author:  [@gerry](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/gerry)
#### Post date: [6 February 2025 22:23 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/no-manage-pallete-selection-in-drop-down-menu/95192/4 "2025-02-06T22:23:21Z")
if I run it in a shell, I get
10.9.2
if I run it in an exec node I get
Command failed: npm -v
/bin/bash: line 1: npm: command not found
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### Author:  [@gerry](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/gerry)
#### Post date: [6 February 2025 22:43 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/no-manage-pallete-selection-in-drop-down-menu/95192/5 "2025-02-06T22:43:47Z")
by the way I installed node red using the install script
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### Author:  [@Colin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Colin)
#### Post date: [7 February 2025 07:33 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/no-manage-pallete-selection-in-drop-down-menu/95192/6 "2025-02-07T07:33:50Z")
How do you run node red?
Edit: If it runs automatically on startup then run these commands and show us what is output to the terminal.
```auto
node-red-stop
node-red-start
```
Note the dashes in the commands, no spaces.
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### Author:  [@gerry](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/gerry)
#### Post date: [7 February 2025 15:10 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/no-manage-pallete-selection-in-drop-down-menu/95192/7 "2025-02-07T15:10:15Z")
to save everyone time after being pointed in the right direction it's obvious npm wasn't working or at least working right. Since it had been working I thought some upgrade must have clobbered it. I did the apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and now everything seems to be working. I hope. To answer @Colin message node red starts automatically and when I ran the stop and start commands it complained about npm not being installed. Since his was the first answer I marked his as the solution. Not to slight @Steve-Mcl
Thanks for the pointers
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### Author:  [@system](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/system)
#### Post date: [21 February 2025 15:11 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/no-manage-pallete-selection-in-drop-down-menu/95192/8 "2025-02-21T15:11:09Z")
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