# 🎉 Node-RED 5 beta.0 released

**URL:** <https://discourse.nodered.org/t/node-red-5-beta-0-released/99870>\
**Category:** News\
**Tags:** docker\
**Created:** [5 December 2025 14:19 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/node-red-5-beta-0-released/99870 "2025-12-05T14:19:39Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![knolleary](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/knolleary/32/3_2.png) [@knolleary](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/knolleary)\
**Post date:** [10 December 2025 13:32 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/node-red-5-beta-0-released/99870/41 "2025-12-10T13:32:28Z")

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> [@JoW](#):
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> Maybe I missed something, but is shift mouse scrolling not working anymore in the flow editor?

It appears to be working for me in Chrome. What browser are you using?

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**Author:** ![JoW](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/jow/32/108217_2.png) [@JoW](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/JoW)\
**Post date:** [10 December 2025 13:37 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/node-red-5-beta-0-released/99870/42 "2025-12-10T13:37:27Z")

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Chrome. But same in edge and firefox.  
Shift Scroll scrolls up and down in 5 beta. weird.

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**Author:** ![jbudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5f8ce5/32.png) [@jbudd](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/jbudd)\
**Post date:** [10 December 2025 13:45 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/node-red-5-beta-0-released/99870/43 "2025-12-10T13:45:56Z")

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When you open a node config window with the sidebar set to "Help" the sidebar is greyed out making the help less accessible.

5.0

 ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/uploads/nodered/original/3X/f/8/f8af84d0df0472f28ed0df2f56427a4d34141bf0.png)

4.1

 ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/uploads/nodered/original/3X/b/c/bcf952a646427f83746b366953771067c90eb572.png)

In 4.1 the hamburger menu is inactive with a config window open, but the only sidebar greyed out is the palette. The others, and their interaction, are still functional. In fact if you double click a different node on the information tab, it closes the current window and opens the one you clicked.

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**Author:** ![JoW](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/jow/32/108217_2.png) [@JoW](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/JoW)\
**Post date:** [10 December 2025 13:49 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/node-red-5-beta-0-released/99870/44 "2025-12-10T13:49:42Z")

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Same on a 'clean' container, without all the settings.js overrides and other files re-used from a 4.x instance. (so running on docker if that makes a difference.)

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**Author:** ![Colin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/colin/32/17040_2.png) [@Colin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Colin)\
**Post date:** [10 December 2025 13:53 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/node-red-5-beta-0-released/99870/45 "2025-12-10T13:53:54Z")

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> [@JoW](#):
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> Shift Scroll scrolls up and down in 5 beta. weird.

I am seeing the same problem in Edge on Ubuntu.

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**Author:** ![Buckskin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Buckskin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Buckskin)\
**Post date:** [10 December 2025 15:22 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/node-red-5-beta-0-released/99870/46 "2025-12-10T15:22:42Z")

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> [@JoW](#):
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> Maybe I missed something, but is shift mouse scrolling not working anymore in the flow editor?  
> shift scroll scrolls horizontally in 4.1.2.

Appears to be shift - mouse wheel click - scroll now

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**Author:** ![JoW](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/jow/32/108217_2.png) [@JoW](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/JoW)\
**Post date:** [10 December 2025 15:35 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/node-red-5-beta-0-released/99870/47 "2025-12-10T15:35:57Z")

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> [@Buckskin](#):
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> Appears to be shift - mouse wheel click - scroll now

Not sure I understand what you're saying here. There is indeed a button in the scroll wheel, but I never scrolled with the button pressed before. (and it just scolls vertically.)

but it lead me to try the thumb scroll wheel on my logitech mx3 mouse, and that scrolls horizontal.

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**Author:** ![Colin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/colin/32/17040_2.png) [@Colin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Colin)\
**Post date:** [10 December 2025 15:50 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/node-red-5-beta-0-released/99870/48 "2025-12-10T15:50:28Z")

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> [@Buckskin](#):
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> Appears to be shift - mouse wheel click - scroll now

Yes, hold down Shift _and_ hold the scroll wheel pressed and roll it. Not very convenient, so hopefully this will be reverted to the previous behaviour.

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**Author:** ![Buckskin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Buckskin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Buckskin)\
**Post date:** [10 December 2025 15:52 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/node-red-5-beta-0-released/99870/49 "2025-12-10T15:52:20Z")

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If you press the shift button, then press and hold the mouse scroll wheel while rotating wheel. Not easy but it works, not sure that it is how it is supposed to work though.

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**Author:** ![knolleary](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/knolleary/32/3_2.png) [@knolleary](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/knolleary)\
**Post date:** [10 December 2025 15:53 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/node-red-5-beta-0-released/99870/50 "2025-12-10T15:53:37Z")

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> [@Colin](#):
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> Yes, hold down Shift _and_ hold the scroll wheel pressed and roll it. Not very convenient, so hopefully this will be reverted to the previous behaviour.

This is very strange, because for me, in the beta, I just scroll the mouse wheel whilst shift is pressed to get horizontal scrolling. No need to click the wheel.

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**Author:** ![Colin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/colin/32/17040_2.png) [@Colin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Colin)\
**Post date:** [10 December 2025 16:05 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/node-red-5-beta-0-released/99870/51 "2025-12-10T16:05:05Z")

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OS perhaps? I am using Ubuntu. @Buckskin? @JoW?

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**Author:** ![JoW](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/jow/32/108217_2.png) [@JoW](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/JoW)\
**Post date:** [10 December 2025 16:40 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/node-red-5-beta-0-released/99870/52 "2025-12-10T16:40:04Z")

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> [@Colin](#):
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> OS perhaps? I am using Ubuntu.

On Windows 11. I do have the wheel button reprogrammed to the 'Back' function. so that might be the reason that does not work for me.

My container runs in docker on an ubuntu server (24.04.3 LTS) with desktop. If I try Chrome there, I can not in any way scroll horizontally, except drag the canvas with spacebar depressed. 🤪  
The thumb scroll wheel also scrolls vertically.

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**Author:** ![cymplecy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/cymplecy/32/2773_2.png) [@cymplecy](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/cymplecy)\
**Post date:** [10 December 2025 16:49 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/node-red-5-beta-0-released/99870/53 "2025-12-10T16:49:12Z")

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Linux Mint/Vivaldi: shift with scroll wheel just moves up and down

Tried it using Vivadi accessing a NR4 install and shift with scroll wheel scrolls horizontally

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**Author:** ![JoW](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/jow/32/108217_2.png) [@JoW](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/JoW)\
**Post date:** [10 December 2025 16:59 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/node-red-5-beta-0-released/99870/54 "2025-12-10T16:59:37Z")

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Seems, in some way, hardware related.  
On my windows pc in chrome, with a no-frills hp wired mouse, the 'shift click scroll wheel' way works. Same on ubuntu.

node-red 4.x scrolls as expected in all tested combinations.

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**Author:** ![TotallyInformation](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/totallyinformation/32/31_2.png) [@TotallyInformation](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/TotallyInformation)\
**Post date:** [10 December 2025 19:31 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/node-red-5-beta-0-released/99870/55 "2025-12-10T19:31:41Z")

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Windows 11, Vivaldi (Chromium):

- Node-RED v4, shift-scroll scrolls horizontally. Shift-click-scroll also horizontal
- Node-RED v5, shift-scroll scrolls vertically. Shift-click-scroll is horizontal.

Does anyone have a mouse where the wheel also has left/right side click? This used to be quite common but seems to have fallen out of favour.

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**Author:** ![Buckskin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Buckskin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Buckskin)\
**Post date:** [10 December 2025 22:36 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/node-red-5-beta-0-released/99870/56 "2025-12-10T22:36:07Z")

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Windows 11, Edge. Node-RED on Pi

> [@TotallyInformation](#):
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> - Node-RED v4, shift-scroll scrolls horizontally. Shift-click-scroll also horizontal
> - Node-RED v5, shift-scroll scrolls vertically. Shift-click-scroll is horizontal.

Same

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**Author:** ![rei\_vilo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/rei_vilo/32/162_2.png) [@rei\_vilo](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/rei_vilo)\
**Post date:** [11 December 2025 17:22 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/node-red-5-beta-0-released/99870/57 "2025-12-11T17:22:25Z")

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Answering the kind invitation, could we consider the perspective concept used by Eclipse and other IDEs to group the different panes and sub-panes for each steps of a project?

> **[Using Perspectives in the Eclipse UI](https://www.eclipse.org/articles/using-perspectives/PerspectiveArticle.html)**

For example,

- A **Design perspective** with nodes selection, nodes tree, info on selected node, help on selected node

- A **Management perspective** with history (local changes), versioning (commit history), configuration

- A **Debug perspective** with debug pane, context data

Area `number 1` would show a general perspective selector on top. The selected perspective would update panes `number 2` and `number 4`, keeping central pane `number 3` always displayed.

 ![CleanShot 2025-12-09 at 14.09.41@2x](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/uploads/nodered/original/3X/e/9/e908b38b38165037eeb781097887061307882042.jpeg)

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**Author:** ![Buckskin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Buckskin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Buckskin)\
**Post date:** [11 December 2025 20:40 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/node-red-5-beta-0-released/99870/58 "2025-12-11T20:40:29Z")

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Tooltip at the top left of a node to indicate there are comments inside doesn't appear to be working. (I may just have forgotten how to enable it)

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**Author:** ![TotallyInformation](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/totallyinformation/32/31_2.png) [@TotallyInformation](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/TotallyInformation)\
**Post date:** [11 December 2025 20:49 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/node-red-5-beta-0-released/99870/59 "2025-12-11T20:49:25Z")

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The icon does not have any content so it cannot show anything:

 ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/uploads/nodered/original/3X/1/5/1549b17605bd5c450eaa7d060fcd14e8cd020082.png)

It is the contributed doc-red plugin that has the tooltip display.

 ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/uploads/nodered/original/3X/1/5/1573c25c3ccd20aef9521e4b8c92c43078ef0afe.png)

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**Author:** ![Buckskin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Buckskin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Buckskin)\
**Post date:** [11 December 2025 21:29 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/node-red-5-beta-0-released/99870/60 "2025-12-11T21:29:05Z")

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I just knew it was me being an idiot and forgetting how to get it going. Thanks for that. 😊

The only issue now is that the popup doesn't position correctly if the node is at the top of the edit pane

 ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/uploads/nodered/original/3X/2/a/2ac25f4fd6a0142a163b3151c6566a2642bcf562.png)

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