# Questions from a Newbie - Looking for Help

**URL:** <https://discourse.nodered.org/t/questions-from-a-newbie-looking-for-help/29659>\
**Category:** General\
**Created:** [7 July 2020 13:43 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/questions-from-a-newbie-looking-for-help/29659 "2020-07-07T13:43:16Z")\
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**Author:** ![oncdastan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/34f0e0/32.png) [@oncdastan](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/oncdastan)\
**Post date:** [7 July 2020 13:43 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/questions-from-a-newbie-looking-for-help/29659/1 "2020-07-07T13:43:17Z")

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Hi. I am new to Node-Red, and haven't done much with Pi. In my current project, I came across a few problems. Most of them are solved, thanks to this forum.

Now, I have 4 problems left:  
1- Starting Node-Red at boot, and deploying the project at full screen. Goal here is to give user only the project screen on a touchscreen, blocking the user from doing anything beyond touching the on/off button on the screen, after plugging the system up.

2- Without doing any changes, I sometimes get "Connection Lost" errors. Sometimes too frequently, sometimes once in a few hours. I think this is because of the wiring. I was using a breadboard, but I'm going to solder it, and then see what happens. Another thing that may cause this (I think), is maybe computational limitations. Maybe this is the reason I sometimes get the error after it running for a few hours. Never had a problem like this one, so I am not sure. Lastly, maybe the NOOBS OS can be the problem. I have a Raspberry Pi 4 B+ with 2GB RAM. A friend of mine told me that he even used it as a personal computer for 3 months without having a single issue like freezing. Mine keeps freezing at simple tasks like opening a new tab, or clicking somewhere before typing. Sometimes, I even see letters coming up 3-4 seconds later while I am typing something. My friend said that this never happened to him. Also, I checked updates at day 1, and there were no updates that I needed to download.

3- Chromium notifies me that it needs a manual update, because it is too old. When I click on it, it opens up the page to install Chrome, not Chromium. Would I need to configure anything, if I were to download and use Node-Red on Chrome? Also, can this be the cause of the problem I mentioned in "2"?

4- I need to use a Water Flow Sensor to give an error notification, if there is no flow, or not enough flow. I have YF-S201 Water Flow Sensor. I searched for a while, but I couldn't find a node for that. I found a Python script in this link:

> **[water-flow-sensor](https://www.npmjs.com/package/water-flow-sensor)**
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> Get flow rate and volume consumption from water flow sensors

I tried to run a Python script in Node-Red, and I managed to turn on and off an LED, but I couldn't do the main thing I was trying to do at that time. So, I'd prefer using a node for this sensor, or another hall effect node to make it work. I'd be really happy, if you could share a link for the sensor's node, or any node I can use with it. If you don't know any, can you guide me on how to run this Python script on Node-Red?

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**Author:** ![Colin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/colin/32/17040_2.png) [@Colin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Colin)\
**Post date:** [7 July 2020 14:49 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/questions-from-a-newbie-looking-for-help/29659/2 "2020-07-07T14:49:26Z")

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> [@oncdastan](#):
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> Starting Node-Red at boot, and deploying the project at full screen.

What are you trying to start at boot, the browser or node-red. Assuming you installed using the script from the docs then you can tell the system to start node-red at boot by doing  
`sudo systemctl enable nodered`  
Note, no dash in nodered.  
As for opening the browser in fullscreen (if that is what you mean) then that isn't a node-red issue, I don't know the answer.

For the freezing problem I made some suggestions in your previous thread, but you haven't mentioned which you have done and whether they helped.

> [@oncdastan](#):
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> Chromium notifies me that it needs a manual update,

Again, nothing to do with node-red. Someone here might have a clue, but not me.

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**Post date:** [7 July 2020 14:52 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/questions-from-a-newbie-looking-for-help/29659/3 "2020-07-07T14:52:10Z")

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> [@oncdastan](#):
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> 1- Starting Node-Red at boot, and deploying the project at full screen. Goal here is to give user only the project screen on a touchscreen, blocking the user from doing anything beyond touching the on/off button on the screen, after plugging the system up.

You may want to look at "kiosk mode" to restrict input to a single app (the browser) on a single page.

However, this wouldn't be all that secure fundamentally. Better would be to run the Node-RED server on a locked-away device with just the front-end and browser on the user accessible device.

> [@oncdastan](#):
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> I sometimes get "Connection Lost" errors.

To what? you don't say. Also what frequency are your data updates and how large.

Again, I'll point out that running a full desktop on the same device as Node-RED is generally not a brilliant experience unless you are using a Pi 4 with a reasonable amount of RAM.

> [@oncdastan](#):
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> 3- Chromium notifies me that it needs a manual update, because it is too old. When I click on it, it opens up the page to install Chrome, not Chromium.

That is a Pi issue not a Node-RED issue.

> [@oncdastan](#):
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> 4- I need to use a Water Flow Sensor

Since you have found a node.js package for it, you should be able to use that at least in a Node-RED function node by adding the `require` for it in your `settings.js` file's globals section. you can then do something like `const wfs = global.get('water-flow-sensor')` in the function node.

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**Author:** ![oncdastan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/34f0e0/32.png) [@oncdastan](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/oncdastan)\
**Post date:** [8 July 2020 08:50 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/questions-from-a-newbie-looking-for-help/29659/4 "2020-07-08T08:50:46Z")

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Can you explain the part where you answered the 4th question in more detail?

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**Post date:** [8 July 2020 09:08 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/questions-from-a-newbie-looking-for-help/29659/5 "2020-07-08T09:08:45Z")

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Node-RED is built using node.js. Node.js uses the npm package manager. So you can add any npm package to Node-RED by installing the package to your userDir folder (normally `~/.node-red`) and then using node.js's standard `require` function inside the globals section of your `settings.js` file that configures Node-RED. You will find that file also in your userDir folder. It has an example embedded in it. Search for `require` in the file.

Once you've loaded the package via `require` and assigned it to a global variable, you can reconnect to it in a function node using the code I gave previously. After that, you should be able to use it as per the examples from that package.

You should note that, as a complex platform, occasionally packages loaded this way don't work as expected but most things do.

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**Author:** ![Colin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/colin/32/17040_2.png) [@Colin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Colin)\
**Post date:** [8 July 2020 09:20 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/questions-from-a-newbie-looking-for-help/29659/6 "2020-07-08T09:20:39Z")

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This is also described in the section Loading additional modules in the node-red docs page [Writing Functions](https://nodered.org/docs/user-guide/writing-functions).

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**Author:** ![Andrei](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/andrei/32/10446_2.png) [@Andrei](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Andrei)\
**Post date:** [10 July 2020 03:20 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/questions-from-a-newbie-looking-for-help/29659/7 "2020-07-10T03:20:22Z")

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> [@oncdastan](#):
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> 3- Chromium notifies me that it needs a manual update, because it is too old. When I click on it, it opens up the page to install Chrome, not Chromium. Would I need to configure anything, if I were to download and use Node-Red on Chrome?

Can be solved with the workaround from below post. I tried and it worked for me.

[https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=264399&start=25](https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=264399&start=25)

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**Author:** ![oncdastan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/34f0e0/32.png) [@oncdastan](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/oncdastan)\
**Post date:** [10 July 2020 15:17 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/questions-from-a-newbie-looking-for-help/29659/8 "2020-07-10T15:17:32Z")

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Thanks a lot! This solved that problem!

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**Post date:** [10 July 2020 15:25 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/questions-from-a-newbie-looking-for-help/29659/9 "2020-07-10T15:25:04Z")

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Nice to know. Surprisingly for me is that the same fix seems to have resolved also issue #1, that was also happening on my testing lab. I could not spare time to investigate further though.

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**Author:** ![oncdastan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/34f0e0/32.png) [@oncdastan](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/oncdastan)\
**Post date:** [10 July 2020 15:33 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/questions-from-a-newbie-looking-for-help/29659/10 "2020-07-10T15:33:54Z")

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Good to know!

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**Post date:** [20 July 2020 08:46 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/questions-from-a-newbie-looking-for-help/29659/11 "2020-07-20T08:46:35Z")

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I couldn't find "settings.js". It doesn't exist in the "~/.node-red" folder. What can I do?

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**Author:** ![zenofmud](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/zenofmud/32/316_2.png) [@zenofmud](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/zenofmud)\
**Post date:** [20 July 2020 09:00 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/questions-from-a-newbie-looking-for-help/29659/12 "2020-07-20T09:00:42Z")

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Please issue the following commands on a terminal session on the pi

```auto
cd .node-red
ls -al

```

copy the results and paste them to a response

also  
1 - did you install the desktop or lite version of raspbian on the Pi  
2 - are you trying to run the browser directly on the Pi

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**Author:** ![oncdastan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/34f0e0/32.png) [@oncdastan](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/oncdastan)\
**Post date:** [20 July 2020 09:13 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/questions-from-a-newbie-looking-for-help/29659/13 "2020-07-20T09:13:04Z")

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```auto
> total 144
> drwxr-xr-x 4 pi pi 4096 Jul 20 10:27 .
> drwxr-xr-x 24 pi pi 4096 Jul 19 16:06 ..
> -rw-r--r-- 1 pi pi 19332 Jul 16 16:22 .config.json
> -rw-r--r-- 1 pi pi 19333 Jul 16 16:22 .config.json.backup
> -rw-r--r-- 1 pi pi 9198 Jul 19 15:22 flows_raspberrypi.json
> -rw-r--r-- 1 pi pi 9198 Jul 19 15:19 .flows_raspberrypi.json.backup
> drwxr-xr-x 3 pi pi 4096 May 27 11:01 lib
> drwxr-xr-x 136 pi pi 4096 Jul 20 10:27 node_modules
> -rw-r--r-- 1 pi pi 367 Jul 20 10:27 package.json
> -rw-r--r-- 1 pi pi 58473 Jul 20 10:27 package-lock.json

```

1- Full version from NOOB OS.

2- Yes. I am using Chromium.

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**Post date:** [20 July 2020 09:20 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/questions-from-a-newbie-looking-for-help/29659/14 "2020-07-20T09:20:14Z")

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Did you install node-red using the [script](https://nodered.org/docs/getting-started/raspberrypi) or are you using the version that comes with raspbian?

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**Post date:** [20 July 2020 09:26 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/questions-from-a-newbie-looking-for-help/29659/15 "2020-07-20T09:26:27Z")

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The one that comes with raspbian.

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**Post date:** [20 July 2020 09:28 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/questions-from-a-newbie-looking-for-help/29659/16 "2020-07-20T09:28:39Z")

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And how do you start node-red?

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**Post date:** [20 July 2020 09:33 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/questions-from-a-newbie-looking-for-help/29659/17 "2020-07-20T09:33:23Z")

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Pi icon -\> Programming -\> Node-Red.

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**Post date:** [20 July 2020 09:38 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/questions-from-a-newbie-looking-for-help/29659/18 "2020-07-20T09:38:14Z")

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in a terminal window run this command  
`find . -name settings.js`

I would suggest you open a terminal window on the pi and run the script to bring NR asnd node.js up to the current levels. The preinstalled version of NR is always behind the current version. This will also allow you to have NR start as a system service so it will start when you boot the Pi.

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**Post date:** [20 July 2020 09:49 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/questions-from-a-newbie-looking-for-help/29659/19 "2020-07-20T09:49:38Z")

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```auto
> pi@raspberrypi:~/.node-red $ find . -name settings.js
> pi@raspberrypi:~/.node-red $

```

Nothing happened. Then, I did this:

```auto
> pi@raspberrypi:~ $ find . -name settings.js
> ./.config/chromium/Default/Extensions/cjpalhdlnbpafiamejdnhcphjbkeiagm/1.27.10_0/js/settings.js

```

It is not the one we are looking for.

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**Post date:** [20 July 2020 09:55 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/questions-from-a-newbie-looking-for-help/29659/20 "2020-07-20T09:55:27Z")

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Run the script

```auto
bash <(curl -sL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/node-red/linux-installers/master/deb/update-nodejs-and-nodered)

```

and then start node-red (in a terminal use `node-red`) and then add an inject node and deploy. Then stop node-red (in the terminal do a ctrl-c - then look in the `.node-red` folder and see if the settings file is there.

[Next page](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/questions-from-a-newbie-looking-for-help/29659.md?page=2)