# Start node red without loading any flows

**URL:** <https://discourse.nodered.org/t/start-node-red-without-loading-any-flows/87005>\
**Category:** General\
**Created:** [4 April 2024 11:53 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/start-node-red-without-loading-any-flows/87005 "2024-04-04T11:53:51Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Thewaver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/thewaver/32/11917_2.png) [@Thewaver](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Thewaver)\
**Post date:** [4 April 2024 11:53 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/start-node-red-without-loading-any-flows/87005/1 "2024-04-04T11:53:52Z")

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My node-red has suddenly stopped working with the following errors (looping) when i do a node-red-start from a SSH terminal:

[info] [tuya-smart-device:Dinning room] findDevice(): Initiating the find command  
[info] [tuya-smart-device:Dinning room] findDevice(): Cannot find the device, re-trying...

the :1880 doesnt load saying that the page is not working...  
Is the a way to start node red without loading any flows so I can then try elimination on each flow.  
Cheers....

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**Author:** ![jbudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5f8ce5/32.png) [@jbudd](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/jbudd)\
**Post date:** [4 April 2024 12:12 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/start-node-red-without-loading-any-flows/87005/2 "2024-04-04T12:12:34Z")

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`node-red --safe` should do that.

Any deploy will then start the flows.

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**Author:** ![Thewaver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/thewaver/32/11917_2.png) [@Thewaver](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Thewaver)\
**Post date:** [11 April 2024 09:09 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/start-node-red-without-loading-any-flows/87005/3 "2024-04-11T09:09:29Z")

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Finally got node-red going again but when I try and install any new nodes from manage pallette it just keeps trying to load and in the end I have to close it which then locks up node-red meaning I have to do a reboot. The error log gives the following which is beyond me trying to fix it:

```auto
2024-04-11T09:01:18.982Z Install : node-red-contrib-tapo-new-api 0.5.3
2024-04-11T09:01:19.214Z npm install --no-audit --no-update-notifier --no-fund --save --save-prefix=~ --production --engine-strict node-red-contrib-tapo-new-api@0.5.3
2024-04-11T09:01:22.722Z [err] npm
2024-04-11T09:01:22.724Z [err]
2024-04-11T09:01:22.724Z [err] WARN config production Use `--omit=dev` instead.
2024-04-11T09:01:28.505Z [err] npm
2024-04-11T09:01:28.506Z [err]
2024-04-11T09:01:28.506Z [err] WARN
2024-04-11T09:01:28.506Z [err]
2024-04-11T09:01:28.507Z [err] old lockfile
2024-04-11T09:01:28.507Z [err] npm
2024-04-11T09:01:28.507Z [err] WARN old lockfile The package-lock.json file was created with an old version of npm,
2024-04-11T09:01:28.508Z [err] npm WARN
2024-04-11T09:01:28.509Z [err] old lockfile so supplemental metadata must be fetched from the registry.
2024-04-11T09:01:28.509Z [err] npm
2024-04-11T09:01:28.509Z [err] WARN old lockfile
2024-04-11T09:01:28.509Z [err] npm WARN old lockfile This is a one-time fix-up, please be patient...
2024-04-11T09:01:28.510Z [err] npm WARN old lockfile

```

Can anyone offer any help to fix this. Regards Don....

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**Author:** ![Colin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/colin/32/17040_2.png) [@Colin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Colin)\
**Post date:** [11 April 2024 09:37 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/start-node-red-without-loading-any-flows/87005/4 "2024-04-11T09:37:16Z")

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Delete the package-lock file in your node red usedir, probably ~/.node-red

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**Author:** ![Thewaver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/thewaver/32/11917_2.png) [@Thewaver](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Thewaver)\
**Post date:** [12 April 2024 08:04 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/start-node-red-without-loading-any-flows/87005/5 "2024-04-12T08:04:15Z")

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![nodered_lock](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/uploads/nodered/original/3X/d/2/d2a96181caed85da2b1a777aa9cabdd00a68094c.png)

Hi Colin, Thanks for your help. Can I confirm that I delete the package-lock.json file ??  
Regards  
Don...

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**Author:** ![Colin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/colin/32/17040_2.png) [@Colin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Colin)\
**Post date:** [12 April 2024 08:34 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/start-node-red-without-loading-any-flows/87005/6 "2024-04-12T08:34:15Z")

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Yes. Any time you are worried about deleting a file then rename it initially (or move it away), then if you have a problem you can always put it back.

I can see that you have a large number of modules installed, how long did you wait after

> [@Thewaver](#):
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> `2024-04-11T09:01:28.510Z [err] npm WARN old lockfile`

before giving up. If you are on a low powered pi this could take many minutes.

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**Author:** ![Thewaver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/thewaver/32/11917_2.png) [@Thewaver](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Thewaver)\
**Post date:** [12 April 2024 08:41 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/start-node-red-without-loading-any-flows/87005/7 "2024-04-12T08:41:43Z")

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After 30 mins it was still whirling so I closed it and that is when it locks nodered and I have to re-boot.

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**Author:** ![Thewaver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/thewaver/32/11917_2.png) [@Thewaver](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Thewaver)\
**Post date:** [12 April 2024 08:53 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/start-node-red-without-loading-any-flows/87005/8 "2024-04-12T08:53:21Z")

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Hi Colin, that fixed it!!...many thanks for your help.

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**Author:** ![Thewaver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/thewaver/32/11917_2.png) [@Thewaver](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Thewaver)\
**Post date:** [13 April 2024 10:53 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/start-node-red-without-loading-any-flows/87005/9 "2024-04-13T10:53:37Z")

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Spoke to soon, tried to load smartnora from the palette menu which failed with the following error:

```auto
2024-04-13T10:49:20.714Z Install : node-red-contrib-smartnora 1.22.1
2024-04-13T10:49:20.903Z npm install --no-audit --no-update-notifier --no-fund --save --save-prefix=~ --production --engine-strict node-red-contrib-smartnora@1.22.1
2024-04-13T10:49:23.819Z [err] npm
2024-04-13T10:49:23.821Z [err]
2024-04-13T10:49:23.821Z [err] WARN config production Use `--omit=dev` instead.
2024-04-13T10:49:40.654Z rc=null

```

How do I exactly use --omit=dev which implies the solution ??  
Regards...

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**Author:** ![Colin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/colin/32/17040_2.png) [@Colin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Colin)\
**Post date:** [13 April 2024 12:00 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/start-node-red-without-loading-any-flows/87005/10 "2024-04-13T12:00:31Z")

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You can ignore that warning

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**Author:** ![Thewaver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/thewaver/32/11917_2.png) [@Thewaver](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Thewaver)\
**Post date:** [13 April 2024 12:13 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/start-node-red-without-loading-any-flows/87005/11 "2024-04-13T12:13:47Z")

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Hi Colin, any idea on how to fix this so that I can udate the smartnora app ??  
Regards Don...

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**Author:** ![Colin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/colin/32/17040_2.png) [@Colin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Colin)\
**Post date:** [13 April 2024 12:53 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/start-node-red-without-loading-any-flows/87005/12 "2024-04-13T12:53:56Z")

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Did it hang again at that point? If so I suspect you may have a problem with your system. Is it an SD card?

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**Author:** ![Thewaver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/thewaver/32/11917_2.png) [@Thewaver](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Thewaver)\
**Post date:** [13 April 2024 13:08 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/start-node-red-without-loading-any-flows/87005/13 "2024-04-13T13:08:17Z")

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Hi Colin, No, it didnt hang, just said failed to load and check logs. Others load and update OK from the palette, just a problem with smartnora so far??

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**Author:** ![Colin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/colin/32/17040_2.png) [@Colin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Colin)\
**Post date:** [13 April 2024 16:59 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/start-node-red-without-loading-any-flows/87005/14 "2024-04-13T16:59:19Z")

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Please, in a command window, go to your .node-red folder (/home/pi/.node-red) and run

```auto
npm remove node-red-contrib-smartnora
npm install node-red-contrib-smartnora

```

And copy/paste the full output here.

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**Author:** ![Thewaver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/thewaver/32/11917_2.png) [@Thewaver](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Thewaver)\
**Post date:** [14 April 2024 09:49 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/start-node-red-without-loading-any-flows/87005/15 "2024-04-14T09:49:06Z")

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Hi Colin, I have done as you suggested and this is the outputs from both remove and install....

pi@raspberrypi:~/.node-red $ npm remove node-red-contrib-smartnora

removed 76 packages, and audited 659 packages in 24s  
95 packages are looking for funding  
run `npm fund` for details  
35 vulnerabilities (2 low, 11 moderate, 14 high, 8 critical)  
To address issues that do not require attention, run:  
npm audit fix  
To address all issues possible (including breaking changes), run:  
npm audit fix --force  
Some issues need review, and may require choosing  
a different dependency.  
Run `npm audit` for details.

pi@raspberrypi:~/.node-red $ npm install node-red-contrib-smartnora  
Killed⠂⠂⠂⠂⠂⠂⠂⠂⠂⠂⠂⠂⠂) ⠧ idealTree:.node-red: sill idealTree buildDeps  
pi@raspberrypi:~/.node-red $

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**Author:** ![Colin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/colin/32/17040_2.png) [@Colin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Colin)\
**Post date:** [14 April 2024 10:09 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/start-node-red-without-loading-any-flows/87005/16 "2024-04-14T10:09:08Z")

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> [@Thewaver](#):
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> Killed⠂

Did you break into it?

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**Author:** ![Thewaver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/thewaver/32/11917_2.png) [@Thewaver](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Thewaver)\
**Post date:** [14 April 2024 11:11 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/start-node-red-without-loading-any-flows/87005/17 "2024-04-14T11:11:19Z")

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Hi Colin,  
Not sure what you mean. The nora nodes have been removed from the flows but not reinstalled ??

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**Author:** ![Colin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/colin/32/17040_2.png) [@Colin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Colin)\
**Post date:** [14 April 2024 12:13 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/start-node-red-without-loading-any-flows/87005/18 "2024-04-14T12:13:59Z")

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It said Killed. Did it just say that or did it do it by itself?

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**Author:** ![Thewaver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/thewaver/32/11917_2.png) [@Thewaver](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Thewaver)\
**Post date:** [14 April 2024 12:49 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/start-node-red-without-loading-any-flows/87005/19 "2024-04-14T12:49:21Z")

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Hi Colin, I just ran the 'npm install node-red-contrib-smartnora' command as you suggested and that was what come back (very quickly)

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**Author:** ![Colin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/colin/32/17040_2.png) [@Colin](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Colin)\
**Post date:** [14 April 2024 13:31 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/start-node-red-without-loading-any-flows/87005/20 "2024-04-14T13:31:38Z")

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I suggest that you get a new, good quality, SD card from a reputable source (if you have not got one) and rebuild your system. As I suggested earlier, I think the card may be dying.

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