# Why Isn't Manage palette Showing up

**URL:** <https://discourse.nodered.org/t/why-isnt-manage-palette-showing-up/27219>\
**Category:** General\
**Created:** [24 May 2020 21:33 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/why-isnt-manage-palette-showing-up/27219 "2020-05-24T21:33:33Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![ethandaniels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/51bf81/32.png) [@ethandaniels](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/ethandaniels)\
**Post date:** [24 May 2020 21:33 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/why-isnt-manage-palette-showing-up/27219/1 "2020-05-24T21:33:34Z")

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I am trying to install nodes and when I open node-red the log says that npm could not be found

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**Author:** ![Steve-Mcl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/steve-mcl/32/4826_2.png) [@Steve-Mcl](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Steve-Mcl)\
**Post date:** [24 May 2020 21:37 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/why-isnt-manage-palette-showing-up/27219/2 "2020-05-24T21:37:09Z")

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open a terminal window.

Enter the following commands and show what you see...

- `npm -v`
- `node -v`

PS: as the text says, you need NPM installed to use the library. Also, this has been covered many times on the forum (do a search)

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**Author:** ![ethandaniels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/51bf81/32.png) [@ethandaniels](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/ethandaniels)\
**Post date:** [24 May 2020 21:38 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/why-isnt-manage-palette-showing-up/27219/3 "2020-05-24T21:38:50Z")

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For my node version I have v12.16.3 and for my npm version I have 6.14.4

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**Author:** ![Steve-Mcl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/steve-mcl/32/4826_2.png) [@Steve-Mcl](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Steve-Mcl)\
**Post date:** [24 May 2020 21:42 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/why-isnt-manage-palette-showing-up/27219/4 "2020-05-24T21:42:26Z")

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Odd - that version of NPM is sufficient.

How are you running node red (what command line do you use / how do you launch it)

Is it a direct install or docker?

what OS are you running on

also, post a copy of the terminal startup log (as text (not screenshot) if possible)

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**Author:** ![ethandaniels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/51bf81/32.png) [@ethandaniels](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/ethandaniels)\
**Post date:** [24 May 2020 21:43 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/why-isnt-manage-palette-showing-up/27219/5 "2020-05-24T21:43:41Z")

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It is a direct install I am using windows and the line I am using is node-red

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**Author:** ![Steve-Mcl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/steve-mcl/32/4826_2.png) [@Steve-Mcl](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Steve-Mcl)\
**Post date:** [24 May 2020 21:48 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/why-isnt-manage-palette-showing-up/27219/6 "2020-05-24T21:48:53Z")

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copy and paste the text that appears after entering `node-red` please

Paste it ...

`````  
`like this - between three backticks (for formatting and readability purposes`  
`````

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**Author:** ![ethandaniels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/51bf81/32.png) [@ethandaniels](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/ethandaniels)\
**Post date:** [24 May 2020 21:51 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/why-isnt-manage-palette-showing-up/27219/8 "2020-05-24T21:51:11Z")

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```auto
Welcome to Node-RED
===================

24 May 16:49:26 - [info] Node-RED version: v1.0.6
24 May 16:49:26 - [info] Node.js version: v12.16.3
24 May 16:49:26 - [info] Windows_NT 10.0.17763 x64 LE
24 May 16:49:26 - [info] Palette editor disabled : npm command not found
24 May 16:49:26 - [info] Loading palette nodes
24 May 16:49:28 - [info] Settings file : \Users\ethan\.node-red\settings.js
24 May 16:49:28 - [info] Context store : 'default' [module=memory]
24 May 16:49:28 - [info] User directory : \Users\ethan\.node-red
24 May 16:49:28 - [warn] Projects disabled : editorTheme.projects.enabled=false
24 May 16:49:28 - [info] Flows file : \Users\ethan\.node-red\flows_LAPTOP-N2EBLI75.json
24 May 16:49:28 - [info] Creating new flow file
24 May 16:49:28 - [warn]

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Your flow credentials file is encrypted using a system-generated key.

If the system-generated key is lost for any reason, your credentials
file will not be recoverable, you will have to delete it and re-enter
your credentials.

You should set your own key using the 'credentialSecret' option in
your settings file. Node-RED will then re-encrypt your credentials
file using your chosen key the next time you deploy a change.
---------------------------------------------------------------------

24 May 16:49:28 - [info] Starting flows
24 May 16:49:28 - [info] Started flows
24 May 16:49:28 - [info] Server now running at http://127.0.0.1:1880/

```

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**Author:** ![Steve-Mcl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/steve-mcl/32/4826_2.png) [@Steve-Mcl](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Steve-Mcl)\
**Post date:** [24 May 2020 21:54 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/why-isnt-manage-palette-showing-up/27219/9 "2020-05-24T21:54:06Z")

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I think npm is not on the system path.

Add the directory of npm into system env vars

 ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/uploads/nodered/original/3X/c/0/c018cef1c12a10ae2fdabdced955eef00d56ed02.png)

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**Author:** ![ethandaniels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/51bf81/32.png) [@ethandaniels](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/ethandaniels)\
**Post date:** [24 May 2020 21:56 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/why-isnt-manage-palette-showing-up/27219/10 "2020-05-24T21:56:48Z")

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That is most likely the answer I just need to look to where the path is

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**Author:** ![ethandaniels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/51bf81/32.png) [@ethandaniels](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/ethandaniels)\
**Post date:** [24 May 2020 22:05 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/why-isnt-manage-palette-showing-up/27219/11 "2020-05-24T22:05:24Z")

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This is where the folder npm is C:\Program Files\nodejs\node\_modules\npm OI do not know if this is true or I am looking at the wrong file

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**Author:** ![Steve-Mcl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/steve-mcl/32/4826_2.png) [@Steve-Mcl](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Steve-Mcl)\
**Post date:** [24 May 2020 22:44 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/why-isnt-manage-palette-showing-up/27219/12 "2020-05-24T22:44:43Z")

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what do you get if you enter `where npm` in a cmd window?

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**Author:** ![ethandaniels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/51bf81/32.png) [@ethandaniels](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/ethandaniels)\
**Post date:** [24 May 2020 22:47 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/why-isnt-manage-palette-showing-up/27219/13 "2020-05-24T22:47:11Z")

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I get Nothing when I put `where npm `

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**Author:** ![Steve-Mcl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/steve-mcl/32/4826_2.png) [@Steve-Mcl](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Steve-Mcl)\
**Post date:** [24 May 2020 22:51 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/why-isnt-manage-palette-showing-up/27219/14 "2020-05-24T22:51:33Z")

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sorry typo. try `which npm`

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**Author:** ![ethandaniels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/51bf81/32.png) [@ethandaniels](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/ethandaniels)\
**Post date:** [24 May 2020 22:55 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/why-isnt-manage-palette-showing-up/27219/15 "2020-05-24T22:55:25Z")

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Which Give me an error saying that it isn't a command

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**Post date:** [24 May 2020 23:01 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/why-isnt-manage-palette-showing-up/27219/16 "2020-05-24T23:01:12Z")

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then your'e gonna have to search you computer to find NPM.

Its likely to be in `C:\Program Files\nodejs\node_modules\npm\bin` - have a look see if npm.cmd is there.

When you find the path, add it to the system path, restart the CMD window, type `path` to check its present then run node-red.

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**Author:** ![ethandaniels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/51bf81/32.png) [@ethandaniels](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/ethandaniels)\
**Post date:** [24 May 2020 23:37 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/why-isnt-manage-palette-showing-up/27219/17 "2020-05-24T23:37:36Z")

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now node red will not start

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**Post date:** [24 May 2020 23:38 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/why-isnt-manage-palette-showing-up/27219/18 "2020-05-24T23:38:26Z")

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Did you add or change path?

Edit...

Potentially, node red wasn't in your system path either (and your command window was on the right path to start it)

Basically speaking - the application your are trying to start MUST be on the current path OR in user PATH or SYSTEM PATH.

For node-red to work properly, 3 elements have to be reachable...

- Node
- npm
- Node-red

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**Author:** ![ethandaniels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/51bf81/32.png) [@ethandaniels](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/ethandaniels)\
**Post date:** [24 May 2020 23:44 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/why-isnt-manage-palette-showing-up/27219/19 "2020-05-24T23:44:50Z")

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ok I will try to make it work

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**Author:** ![ethandaniels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/51bf81/32.png) [@ethandaniels](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/ethandaniels)\
**Post date:** [24 May 2020 23:46 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/why-isnt-manage-palette-showing-up/27219/20 "2020-05-24T23:46:12Z")

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What if I uninstall and reinstall Node.Js and Node-Red and see if I can run it again?

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**Author:** ![Steve-Mcl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex026/user_avatar/discourse.nodered.org/steve-mcl/32/4826_2.png) [@Steve-Mcl](https://discourse.nodered.org/u/Steve-Mcl)\
**Post date:** [24 May 2020 23:46 UTC](https://discourse.nodered.org/t/why-isnt-manage-palette-showing-up/27219/21 "2020-05-24T23:46:53Z")

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Possibly but a bit overkill.

Better off fixing it then you'd learn something. But if you must...

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