Temperature sensor functionality

[Herbert]

Hello. I have 20 DS18B20 temperature sensors connected to my Pi.
Every minute the values will be refreshed. Sometimes the value from any sensor does not show the right temperature e.g. 20°C. but 85°C.
For this wrong value I have a switch. All values under 82°C are OK. If the value is other for more than 5 seconds, then there is a message with sensor FAIL.

What I miss: If the sensor is broken and does not continue to send a plausible value, a message should also appear: SensorFAIL. For this, a permanent update of the sensor value would have to be queried. How can I do that?
The temperature sensors are for a battery pack. It is necessary to check the values permanently
and reliable for a safety battery. This is the background for he permanent sensor check.

Here my nodes from one sensor:

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flows (18).json (3.5 KB)
Thanks for help.

[dynamicdave]

Just had a very quick look at your flow and spotted you are triggering the DS18B20 once every 2-seconds.
You will need to look-up the maximum rate you can re-trigger the sensor - I seem to remember it should be a lot higher than that - maybe once every 30-seconds (??).

Try changing the 'inject' node to once every 60-secs, as per your 'spec', and see if that improves things.

[Herbert]

Hello,

thats correct. I have only for the forum the re-trigger in 2 seconds.
In real situation the re-trigger is every 70 seconds

[dynamicdave]

If you have a numbers of sensors connected to the same pin on the RPi - you might find it useful to have a look at this thread...

DS18B20 not functioning

I'll try 1.5k tomorrow and report back. I'm just surprised that when I clamp a new sensor and an old one together, it doesn't work and when I take two old ones or two new ones, it works. Then it can't normally be due to the resistance?!

I've never had more than 2 or 3 sensors connected to the same pin, so may not be able to help you.

[Colin]

@Herbert

If the sensor is broken and does not continue to send a plausible value

What do you see from the sensor node in that case?

[Herbert]

Hi Colin,

I don´t know, which signal or how ever I receive in Nodered, of the sensor is broken. This is the issue, why I want to analyse the cycling signal from the sensor.
If over 3 minute no signal is coming, then alarm. If over 3 minutes the sensor send 85°C, then alarm. Maybe, there is any possibility in Nodered to see the cycle from signal?

[Colin]

To run a watchdog that triggers after three minutes of no good data you can use a Switch and a Trigger node, something like this

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