Hello,
I installed UI builder succesfully.
I got a simple flow but now i am stuck ? How to generated the ui builder ?
Check out some of the examples that are contained in the library. These are installed when you install uibuilder. Go to the menu, import, examples, uibuilder.
There are also a load of examples on the WIKI.
All you need to do from what you have is to add an inject node to provide input and a couple of debug nodes on the outputs. Then open the uibuilder node in the Editor and click on the "Open Page" button to show the ui. Now click on the inject and see the message appear in the front-end ui. Similarly try the example input form in the ui and check the outputs in Node-RED.
Once you have seen that and are beginning to understand the overall flow back and forth, you can try changing the front-end code to get a ui that does what you want it to. Connect up a more useful input flow to get data to the front-end.
Some more examples. Apologies if these don't directly work, some of them might require the next version of uibuilder, if so just ignore them or at least take a look at the general flow pictures.
Here is another caching example with a simple switch ui
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VueJS + bootstrap-vue version\">\n\n <link rel=\"icon\" href=\"./images/node-blue.ico\">\n\n <!-- See https://goo.gl/OOhYW5 -->\n <link rel=\"manifest\" href=\"./manifest.json\">\n <meta name=\"theme-color\" content=\"#3f51b5\">\n <link type=\"text/css\" rel=\"stylesheet\" href=\"../uibuilder/vendor/bootstrap/dist/css/bootstrap.min.css\" />\n <link type=\"text/css\" rel=\"stylesheet\" href=\"../uibuilder/vendor/bootstrap-vue/dist/bootstrap-vue.css\" />\n \n <link rel=\"stylesheet\" href=\"./index.css\" media=\"all\">\n</head>\n<body>\n <div id=\"app\" v-cloak>\n <b-container id=\"app_container\"> \n <b-card no-body>\n <b-tabs card small>\n <b-tab title=\"Main\" active>\n <b-card header=\"Control\" border-variant=\"primary\">\n <acc-switch name=\"at_home\" v-model=\"v_value.at_home\" badge></acc-switch>\n <acc-switch name=\"security_system\" v-model=\"v_value.security_system\"></acc-switch>\n <acc-switch name=\"heating\" v-model=\"v_value.heating\"></acc-switch>\n <acc-switch name=\"greenhouse\" v-model=\"v_value.greenhouse\"></acc-switch>\n </b-card>\n </b-tab>\n\n <b-tab title=\"Accessories\">\n <b-card header=\"Accessories\" border-variant=\"primary\">\n <b-card-text>an accessories list ...</b-card-text>\n </b-card>\n </b-tab>\n </b-tabs>\n \n <b-card v-if=debug header=\"Debug\" border-variant=\"info\">\n <b-card-text v-if=\"msg\">last msg: {{msg.payload}}</b-card-text>\n <b-card-text>accessories: {{accessories}}</b-card-text>\n <b-card-text>v_value: {{v_value}}</b-card-text>\n </b-card>\n </b-card>\n </b-container>\n </div>\n \n <script src=\"../uibuilder/vendor/socket.io/socket.io.js\"></script>\n\n <!-- Vendor Libraries - 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Here is an example that is rather simpler front-end code
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